Legislature(2007 - 2008)BUTROVICH 205

02/19/2008 02:00 PM Senate TRANSPORTATION


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*+ SB 190 MINORS TRAVELING ALONE BY AIR TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ SB 189 APPROP.: BRIDGES, SERVICE ROADS, TRAILS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
         SB 189-APPROP.: BRIDGES, SERVICE ROADS, TRAILS                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
2:52:40 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KOOKESH announced consideration of SB 189.                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
SENATOR THERRIAULT, sponsor of SB  189, said it was introduced to                                                               
spur  some discussion  in the  legislature on  capital needs  for                                                               
road infrastructure and bridge  infrastructure in particular. The                                                               
second   section   addresses    concerns   from   Department   of                                                               
Transportation    and    Public   Facilities    (DOTPF)    design                                                               
professionals. It was  spurred by the collapse of  a major bridge                                                               
in Minnesota  last year and  the fact that  bridge infrastructure                                                               
all across the nation is in serious need of repair.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He  explained that  appropriations  for  road infrastructure  are                                                               
dealt with  by the  Finance Committee  because those  are capital                                                               
appropriations.  However,  he thought  the  subject  of road  and                                                               
bridge  infrastructure  needed  discussion  specifically  in  the                                                               
Transportation  Committee.  He asked  the  drafter  to make  that                                                               
discussion the focus  of the bill and didn't expect  it to really                                                               
"get legs"  and shoot through  the system. He suggested  a figure                                                               
of $25  million for  bridge infrastructure  on the  state highway                                                               
network.  In addition,  he heard  from a  number of  DOTPF design                                                               
professionals about the desire to  refund a program that has been                                                               
on  the state  books for  20-30  years called  the Local  Service                                                               
Roads and Trails  Program that divvies up general  funds into all                                                               
regions of  the state  to care  for smaller  basic transportation                                                               
needs. It is 100 percent state funding.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:55:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR THERRIAULT remembered back to when  he was an aide in the                                                               
legislature, he  would routinely  ask DOTPF  about a  little road                                                               
connector that was between road  projects that just made sense or                                                               
a  particular intersection  that  needed a  little  work. He  was                                                               
always  amazed,  in going  through  the  federal system,  at  the                                                               
length  of time  it took  to design  a project  and the  ultimate                                                               
expense of  building it when it  seemed to be fairly  minor. This                                                               
fall  he spoke  to  a  number of  DOTPF  design professionals  in                                                               
Fairbanks and  couple of them  said they were also  frustrated by                                                               
that and  the fact that because  the state was depending  on a 90                                                               
percent match from the federal  government for its road money, it                                                               
had to  jump through all their  hoops and that drove  the expense                                                               
up even more.  So they indicated to him that  they didn't need to                                                               
reinvent the wheel  and that a program was already  on the books,                                                               
but it just  hadn't been funded for over 10  years. It would dole                                                               
money out  through a formula to  all the regions of  the state to                                                               
do these little fixes in a  much timelier and less costly manner.                                                               
Section 2 of SB 189 speaks to this fund.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:58:04 PM                                                                                                                    
He said  DOTPF has  provided a  list of  bridges along  with some                                                               
pictures.  The pictures  showed  that some  of  the bridges  have                                                               
major structural  failures. He said  keeping up  with maintenance                                                               
seemed  to be  a  human  failing whether  it's  our own  personal                                                               
infrastructure or the state infrastructure.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COWDERY  said  lots  of   heavy  modules  are  built  in                                                               
Anchorage  and maybe  hundreds had  been hauled  up to  the North                                                               
Slope this  year. They have a  route to follow, but  they are far                                                               
heavier than anything else that travels the road.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT said  he sensed that DOTPF keeps  in mind that                                                               
it needs  at least one  route between  the state's ports  and the                                                               
North Slope to make sure  these heavy modules can be transported.                                                               
They need to be mindful  of having a strong transportation system                                                               
ready to support building a  natural gas pipeline. "Investment in                                                               
our bridge infrastructure now would be money well spent."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:03:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR OLSON asked who would contribute to this pot of money.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT replied because it  talks about the state road                                                               
network  it would  all come  from  general funds;  it would  also                                                               
relieve the DOTPF personnel from  jumping through the extra hoops                                                               
required to  get federal  money. He said  he would  also consider                                                               
adding a separate  pot of money to help  municipalities deal with                                                               
some  of their  bridge infrastructure  that  is not  part of  the                                                               
state network  if the  committee wanted  to have  some kind  of a                                                               
match.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COWDERY  asked if he had  a list of Anchorage  roads that                                                               
are state roads and municipal roads in MatSu.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  replied that  DOTPF could better  address the                                                               
question of  state roads and  John Duffy, MatSu  Borough Manager,                                                               
could address MatSu roads.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  said  the  $25  million  in  the  bill  talks  about  bridges                                                               
specifically,  but the  second  section of  the  bill proposes  a                                                               
separate  pot of  money  that  could be  used  by  DOTPF to  fund                                                               
improvements to the  state road network. He offered  to work with                                                               
DOTPF to get a complete list of the state road network.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:06:48 PM                                                                                                                    
AVES THOMPSON,  Executive Director, Alaska  Trucking Association,                                                               
supported SB  189 and stated,  "The simple  truth is that  if you                                                               
got  it, a  truck  brought it."  In the  normal  course of  their                                                               
business,  highways  and  bridges  are the  important  link  that                                                               
allows them  to move  freight. In  light of  the potential  for a                                                               
gasline, the  association identified  improvement of  the state's                                                               
infrastructure as  one of the  most important projects  to insure                                                               
that highways and in particular,  bridges, are ready to allow the                                                               
transport  of the  hundreds if  not  thousands of  loads. He  has                                                               
found through experience, that one  old or substandard bridge can                                                               
be the  weak link in an  entire system; timing is  everything and                                                               
it's critical to move forward  to eliminate any "choke points" in                                                               
the state's  transportation system. Further, he  said, it's clear                                                               
that  federal  funding  will  not  meet  Alaska's  transportation                                                               
infrastructure needs in neither the  short nor the long term. So,                                                               
Alaska needs  to invest some of  its dollars in it;  he felt that                                                               
given  the  enormous  need,  the  appropriation  should  be  even                                                               
higher.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:10:11 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN  DUFFY, Borough  Manger for  the Matanuska-Susitna  Borough,                                                               
supported SB  189. He  was encouraged  that they  are considering                                                               
developing  a   long-term  funding   solution  for   the  state's                                                               
transportation system.  He hoped  along with  considering funding                                                               
for bridge  maintenance, they  would consider  the creation  of a                                                               
local bridge  appropriation program to address  non-state bridges                                                               
that are an important part  of the state's overall transportation                                                               
system. They  are willing  to provide  a local  match for  such a                                                               
program,  and he  said  the MatSu  Borough  Assembly had  already                                                               
appropriated funds for such improvements.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He stated:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     An effective  and efficient transportation system  is a                                                                    
     basic  requirement   for  growing   economies.  Without                                                                    
     adequate roads  and bridges, our  transportation system                                                                    
     will be hampered by congestion  which results in higher                                                                    
     costs of  doing business  through the  long travel-time                                                                    
     delays.  Other problems  associated  with poor  bridges                                                                    
     include higher fatalities and  injury rates that result                                                                    
     in higher health costs and  higher insurance costs, low                                                                    
     work productivity....                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He   said  the   cost   of  living   increases   with  an   aging                                                               
infrastructure. For  example, many  bridges in the  Matsu Borough                                                               
have been "D" rated because  of their structural conditions. As a                                                               
result,  commercial  vehicles  such   as  fuel  trucks,  building                                                               
delivery trucks,  freight delivery vehicles, ambulances  and fire                                                               
trucks are  not able  to use  these bridges.  They are  unable to                                                               
clear the  bridges of  snow because  of the  weight restrictions.                                                               
Citizens  now  rely  on  pickup  trucks to  plow  snow  and  snow                                                               
machines and sleds to move  these close when an emergency occurs.                                                               
Many citizens must provide their own fire response.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUFFY said  other communities  throughout Alaska  share this                                                               
situation and face similar challenges.  He said the MatSu Borough                                                               
presently  maintains about  40 bridges  and this  is paid  for by                                                               
local  taxpayers.  The  existing  bridge  inspection  program  is                                                               
conducted by  the State  DOTPF for  bridges of  25 ft.  or longer                                                               
while the  borough completes  inspections on  roads less  than 25                                                               
ft. Inspections are conducted by both parties every two years.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUFFY  said the  MatSu  Borough  taxpayers pay  about  $11.2                                                               
million  for  these improvements  and  much  of these  funds  are                                                               
dedicated  to  day-to-day   maintenance.  The  Assembly  recently                                                               
appropriated  $400,000  for  bridge  repair,  but  unfortunately,                                                               
their bridge repair needs are about $3.6 million.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He concluded  by again  putting forward  his request  for funding                                                               
local bridge  repair with  a provision  or requirement  for local                                                               
match in  the form of  cash, materials such as  gravel, right-of-                                                               
way and in-kind which would  encourage local governments to match                                                               
state funds.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COWDERY asked if the  MatSu Borough charges for gravel on                                                               
the state's road system.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUFFY replied that most  gravel for local projects is donated                                                               
if it  makes economic  sense. He said  the MatSu  Borough donated                                                               
all of  the gravel used  on the  Pt. MacKenzie project.  On state                                                               
projects, if a  gravel source is available, they  would work with                                                               
DOTPF to come to some reasonable agreement.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:16:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KOOKESH found no further  questions or comments and said he                                                               
intended to pass SB 189 out at the next meeting.                                                                                

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